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lindsey graham had a response to that today. here it is. >> to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. not senator paul. he's a man to himself. he has a view that i don't think is a republican view. i think is a legitimately held libertarian view. >> is this where the republican party is headed, a libertarian cam. and a traditional camp? i mean, the hypocrisy of, you know, a couple of these senators getting up, standing with rand paul on this. probably just to keep the filibuster going. but it just seems that they have really identified to the american people they've got an identity crisis, they don't even know where they stand on the use of military action if they've got the wrong president in there. >> look, certainly you have the libertarian camp and the national security camp for lack of a better word. rand paul versus mccain you're talking about. but look at now the immigration thing. some of them are coming out saying we need to change that. a lot of them are saying no, under no c
lindsey graham had a response to that today. here it is. >> to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. not senator paul. he's a man to himself. he has a view that i don't think is a republican view. i think is a legitimately held libertarian view. >> is this where the republican party is headed, a libertarian cam. and a traditional camp? i mean, the hypocrisy of, you know, a couple of these senators getting up, standing with rand paul on...
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although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings that the and failed, people are approaching it with a different attitude. at least some of the group that was a part of this last night. giving them all credit for sitting down, the president did make this happen. they went and attended. we heard from speaker boehner today about the ryan lunch saying he is not taking any message from me. the speaker thoroughly appreciates the fact that the president is talking to members, not just going through leadership. you know, we can make this a data point of bipart sfwlanship in what will be a long set of negotiations. >> we will take as many data points
although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings...
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lindsey graham offered some background yesterday afternoon. >> the president called senator mccain and myself a couple of weeks ago, and senator mccain was his opponent, as you all thou know, in 2008. i see the president reaching out. the dinner that was supposed to be quiet is sad that it makes news. >> he's right about that. graham's closest friends were on the list. graham also included republican senators who have a particular interest in the budget debate, so that included pat toomey. graham is the only senator up for re-election in 2014. miguel rodriguez was there. vice president biden, not at the dinner. maybe this is the start of a new outreach. in his first term, mr. obama's outreach to republicans was sporadic at best and though the president bristles when that's pointed out -- >> i promise you, we invite folks from congress over here all the time. and when they choose to come, i enjoy their company. sometimes they don't choose to come, and that has to do with the fact that i think they don't consider the optics useful for them politically. >> the fact of the matter is the wh
lindsey graham offered some background yesterday afternoon. >> the president called senator mccain and myself a couple of weeks ago, and senator mccain was his opponent, as you all thou know, in 2008. i see the president reaching out. the dinner that was supposed to be quiet is sad that it makes news. >> he's right about that. graham's closest friends were on the list. graham also included republican senators who have a particular interest in the budget debate, so that included pat...
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who they might be able to negotiate, including lindsey graham. let's listen to what senator graham had to say. >> he's calling people, this is how you solve hard problems. he's working the phones, talking about, you know, following up on that, and how can we get more people in the mix. so what i see from the president is incredibly encouraging. maybe because of sequestration and frustration with the public. the time is right to act and what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i've seen since the early years of his presidency. >> how long was your conversation? >> he wants to do the big deal. i think to get our democratic friends to move on entitlements, we're going to have to move on revenue by flattening the tax code, eliminating deductions, and preserving some of that money for the debt. i just think we know what to do, we know how to end this, what the big deal should be made of. >> jared, does that sound like a big opening to you, with lindsey graham, something of a breakthrough, when he says, w
who they might be able to negotiate, including lindsey graham. let's listen to what senator graham had to say. >> he's calling people, this is how you solve hard problems. he's working the phones, talking about, you know, following up on that, and how can we get more people in the mix. so what i see from the president is incredibly encouraging. maybe because of sequestration and frustration with the public. the time is right to act and what i see from the president is probably the most...
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>> he's got lindsey grahams digits. >> the president asked that i get together a group. >> 11 public senators. >> i was honored. >> you know lindsey graham is ready. >> in the coming days and weerks i'm going to continue reaching out. >> he's absolutely determined to get something done. >> the gop has been tagged the party of no. >> now you have speaker boehner saying -- >> the president got his tax hikes. he got his tax hikes. the president got his tax hikes. >> there is still incentive among a lot of republicans to not cooperate with this president. >> all they really need is a hug and a lunch. >> i wish he had done more of that over the years. >> president obama is not their mom. >> where this goes, i don't know. >> there is a caucus of common sense in the coming days and coming weeks. i'm going to keep on reaching out. >> i've been relatively fair to barack obama. >> he doesn't do anything. >> it's jack what you're saying. >> he's not trying to solve the fiscal cliff. now i'm really angry. >>> president obama has just finished a working dinner with 12 republican senators, the sta
>> he's got lindsey grahams digits. >> the president asked that i get together a group. >> 11 public senators. >> i was honored. >> you know lindsey graham is ready. >> in the coming days and weerks i'm going to continue reaching out. >> he's absolutely determined to get something done. >> the gop has been tagged the party of no. >> now you have speaker boehner saying -- >> the president got his tax hikes. he got his tax hikes. the...
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let's hear a little more of senator lindsey graham. >> he's a man to himself. you got to remember, senator paul was the one senator who voted against a resolution that said the policy of the united states will not be to contain a nuclear capable iran. >> david, is this a sign of old gop versus newer guard of the gop? >> no. actually it's not. there's always been a split on the conservative movement within the republican party between interventionist republicans, neocons, and those who are isolationists. whether it's patrick buchanan or rand paul and others, some of whom have raised fourth amendment issues when it comes to things domestically. and this -- we've just never had these guys get the platform the way rand paul has seized it. and i think it makes john mccain and lindsey graham quite nervous because rand paul is, indeed, appealing to some tea party types, libertarian types, noninterventionist conservatives, as well as the wacky black helicopter types who fueled the militia movement back in the '90s, and they want to try to keep him in check i think for
let's hear a little more of senator lindsey graham. >> he's a man to himself. you got to remember, senator paul was the one senator who voted against a resolution that said the policy of the united states will not be to contain a nuclear capable iran. >> david, is this a sign of old gop versus newer guard of the gop? >> no. actually it's not. there's always been a split on the conservative movement within the republican party between interventionist republicans, neocons, and...
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kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. what the white house is hoping to do is try to generate momentum or at least a conversation among some of the rank and file republicans. the reality is at a certain point he needs the republican leadership. he can't completely avoid having conversations with them. >> chris: whatever the president's motivation, the real question is, is there any basis for a deal here? is there a bridge that can be crossed on this? i was struck listening to paul ryan. he has obama care being repealed. he still wants the medicare structural reform. the premium supports. as he called it. others call it vouchers. i know the white house they at the talk about tax reform as opposed to ryan talk about keeping the rates up. not low aring rates just doing away with the loopholes so it is another tax increase. is there a deal there? >> i think it as cass many and the president picked lindsey graham to be the one to put the dinner together for a reason. he said he is open to new revenues which, of course, conserv
kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. what the white house is hoping to do is try to generate momentum or at least a conversation among some of the rank and file republicans. the reality is at a certain point he needs the republican leadership. he can't completely avoid having conversations with them. >> chris: whatever the president's motivation, the real question is, is there any basis for a deal here? is there a bridge that can be crossed on this? i was struck listening to paul ryan. he has...
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i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and time again. the president knows that. those folks in the white house know that. john boehner can't get a deal done because he doesn't have the support of his caucus. so let's go to the members of that caucus who could potentially put a deal together. there's no other option. this is the way it has to be done. and i think it's very smart what he's doing. >> michael steele, do you have an incisive analytical comment to make disguised as a question? >> no. look, i picked myself up off the floor after reading gene's piece this morning. you know, gene, brot
i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and...
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john mccain and lindsey graham say he's ridiculous for what he did yesterday. there seems to be an emerging split among these republicans in the senate. what do you make of this? >> i think van also slipped in a reference to the devil in there too, but we can ignore that for a moment. you know, wolf, it's true. there is a split in the republican party, there's a split in the democratic party. senator diane finestein, the californian democratic was one of the most vociferous objectors to the president's drone program. i support a vigorous approach abroad, using drones to kill terrorists. i draw the line, like rand paul does, at home when it comes to defending the american people, we do not use the military on american soil, particularly against americans. and so i thought what rand paul did was a great wake-up bell for the nation, to focus a spotlight on a problem that's something we should talk about. and one of the worst mistakes we made in the bush administration was after september 11th, we were so worried about preventing next attack, we did everything thro
john mccain and lindsey graham say he's ridiculous for what he did yesterday. there seems to be an emerging split among these republicans in the senate. what do you make of this? >> i think van also slipped in a reference to the devil in there too, but we can ignore that for a moment. you know, wolf, it's true. there is a split in the republican party, there's a split in the democratic party. senator diane finestein, the californian democratic was one of the most vociferous objectors to...
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senator john mccain to a certain extent, lindsey graham came out and criticized that filibuster. and it was seen as kind of an old guard, young turk sort of divide in the republican party. if you had to describe what is going on now inside the republican party, how would you describe it? >> i would say it is a natural process of where there's divergen divergence, people can express their views openly. but that on the broad issues, there's still broad support and concurrence. the fact that senator mccain was critical of elements of what senator paul said is fair. but on the other hand, i think he would respect the fact that senator paul got a response from the administration on the key question of whether or not drones could be used against american citizens on american soil. i think it's okay to have a disagreement. you know, we don't march lock step 100% in agreement all the time. but on these broader issues, i think there is broad support and that's what's emerging in the republican party going forward. >> and the president's so-called charm offensive, it's been noted by some f
senator john mccain to a certain extent, lindsey graham came out and criticized that filibuster. and it was seen as kind of an old guard, young turk sort of divide in the republican party. if you had to describe what is going on now inside the republican party, how would you describe it? >> i would say it is a natural process of where there's divergen divergence, people can express their views openly. but that on the broad issues, there's still broad support and concurrence. the fact that...
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that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the solution? >> if the depresses demand too much -- chris: it's not doing that apparently. >> if it doesn't, i'm all for it. >> there's a possibility to adjust among different budget counts talking to people who run our military services, talking to people in the intelligence community, they do have real problems and they're not going to be able to watch a spy satellite. they're having trouble juggling ship positions. chris: my question goes back to you, is there incentive enough for both parties to give, real gliv until it hurts? the fact the republicans ha
that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the...
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lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the democratic and republican caucuses in both the house and the senate. joining me right now nia-malika henderson who covers all this. and former mayor willie brown. thank you for joining us. i want to talk about the appearance of this and the reality of this, which is more important? >> it is the appearance of it. for all reasons fall beyond anything we can ever fathom, this is the kind of thing that should have been done from the first day that the president was elected. he should have been able to develop a relationship with every person holding office one on one
lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the...
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and those are going to be attending this dinner tonight have been invited by the president lindsey graham really made this guest list. these are republican who is are perceived as being open or at least willing to talk about compromise when it comes to the budget issues when it comes to averting the sequester. also it's important to open to compromise to things like immigration reform, gun control. those are some of the items that are going to be on the agenda. but certainly the budget, a grand bargain will be the main course at tonight's dinner when president obama sits down with those 12 republicans. but, of course, this is sort of a larger outreach than we have seen in the past. we expect it to continue in the coming days and weeks. martin. >> kristen welker at the white house, thank you. here in new york is josh barrow and professor james peterson. professor, the president challenging critics who call him aloof and disengaged reaching out to the opposing side offering what's expected to be a real plan of entitlement cuts and new revenues. could tonight be the start of something big? >
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joining me now with reaction, someone who has been demanding answers since day one, senator lindsey graham, senator, welcome back, sir. >> thank you and god bless fox news. >>. >> sean: well, thank you for saying that. i met ty woods father. >> yeah. >> sean: i've got it tell you something, his son gave his life saving other people and we deserve answers. this has gone on too long. when we be able to talk to the survivors, some of the gaps we have can be filled by them, they were there. >> we're going to write a letter, senator ayotte and myself to senator kerry asking him to make survivors available to the congress, the appropriate committees can interview the survivors about what happened that night. six months later, what do we know, sean? we know that the story told by susan rice on 16th of september that the consulate was significantly, substantially and strongly secured has collapsed and we know her story and the president's story, an al-qaeda attack caused by a hateful video that led to a spontaneous riot has collapsed. we know that the story they told us for weeks after the attack
joining me now with reaction, someone who has been demanding answers since day one, senator lindsey graham, senator, welcome back, sir. >> thank you and god bless fox news. >>. >> sean: well, thank you for saying that. i met ty woods father. >> yeah. >> sean: i've got it tell you something, his son gave his life saving other people and we deserve answers. this has gone on too long. when we be able to talk to the survivors, some of the gaps we have can be filled by...
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republican senator john mccain and republican senator lindsey graham. both in want studios. senator graham-- >> next qwester we're including you. ( laughter ) >> schieffer: i want to start off, senator graham, with something-- parent of that speech you said on the senate floor because it seemed to really kind of sum up the week that washington just went through. >> to me, this is pathetic leadership by the commander in chief. this is an abandonment of the republican party's belief in peace through strength. this is the low point in highway time independent united states congress. >> schieffer: and bill kristol, the editor of the "weekly standard" kind of the voice of establishment republicans he said the republicans have now-- his words, not mine-- "joined the president on the road to irresponsibility." he says, "history will judge both your republican party and the president harshly saying they were weighed in the balance and found wanting." so where do you go from here, senator mccain? >> first of all bill kristol is right. and want fact is, we have now reached a point whe
republican senator john mccain and republican senator lindsey graham. both in want studios. senator graham-- >> next qwester we're including you. ( laughter ) >> schieffer: i want to start off, senator graham, with something-- parent of that speech you said on the senate floor because it seemed to really kind of sum up the week that washington just went through. >> to me, this is pathetic leadership by the commander in chief. this is an abandonment of the republican party's...
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among those, lindsey graham of south carolina. >> i'm very encouraged by what i see from the president in terms of substance and tone. he's calling people. this is how you solve hard problems. what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i've seen since the early years of his presidencpresidency. >> graham has said he would consider increased revenue if it was coupled with changes to entitlement programs. republican leaders say they're not at all interested in discussing more taxes with the president. the tax issue derailed talks over how to derail the sequester, now administration officials say those budget cuts forced them to cancel all public tours of the white house. now more proof that d.c. can argue about anything, the "wall street journal" editorial reads in part this fits president obama's political strategy to punish eighth graders visiting from illinois instead of, say, employees of the agriculture department who will be sampling wine and sampling tasty dishes prepared by special guest chefs. critics also criticized the cancellation
among those, lindsey graham of south carolina. >> i'm very encouraged by what i see from the president in terms of substance and tone. he's calling people. this is how you solve hard problems. what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i've seen since the early years of his presidencpresidency. >> graham has said he would consider increased revenue if it was coupled with changes to entitlement programs. republican leaders say they're not...
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surprised to hear lindsey graham say that. we'll talk about rand paul but he's a thorn in the side about rand paul and the president -- this is what happened, the president saw tom brokaw, bill keller of the washington times and washington post and these liberal institutions and people, a little to the left saying, it looks like a campaign. >> chris: even the peanut gallery. >> this is a campaign here, you just got elected, a second term now and it is time to get something done and when people on the left, slightly on the left are saying that, the president said, actually, i have to make it looks like, charm offensive, whatever you want to call it. breaking bread but the fact he has to go around leadership, even the second term, why do you have to go around leadership? it is what it is. that is the world as it exists and i know he says he doesn't want to be dictator. he's not and can't wave a wand and get everything done, and the fact is you have to deal with the players on the chess board. boehner and mcconnell aed the leader
surprised to hear lindsey graham say that. we'll talk about rand paul but he's a thorn in the side about rand paul and the president -- this is what happened, the president saw tom brokaw, bill keller of the washington times and washington post and these liberal institutions and people, a little to the left saying, it looks like a campaign. >> chris: even the peanut gallery. >> this is a campaign here, you just got elected, a second term now and it is time to get something done and...
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joining me now with reaction, someone who has been demanding answers since day one, senator lindsey graham, senator, welcome back, sir. >> thank you and god bless fox news. >>. >> sean: well, thank you for saying that. i met ty woods father. >> yeah. >> sean: i've got it tell you something, his son gave his life saving other people and we deserve answers. this has gone on too long. when we be able to talk to the survivors, some of the gaps we have can be filled by them, they were there. >> we're going to write a letter, senator ayotte and myself to senator kerry asking him to make survivors available to the congress, the appropriate committees can interview the survivors about what happened that night. six months later, what do we know, sean? we know that the story told by susan rice on 16th of september that the consulate was significantly, substantially and strongly secured has collapsed and we know her story and the president's story, an al-qaeda attack caused by a hateful video that led to a spontaneous riot has collapsed. we know that the story they told us for weeks after the attack
joining me now with reaction, someone who has been demanding answers since day one, senator lindsey graham, senator, welcome back, sir. >> thank you and god bless fox news. >>. >> sean: well, thank you for saying that. i met ty woods father. >> yeah. >> sean: i've got it tell you something, his son gave his life saving other people and we deserve answers. this has gone on too long. when we be able to talk to the survivors, some of the gaps we have can be filled by...
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graham because john mccain is upset then lindsey is upset too. oh, yeah and the go ahead that john mccain -- in fact -- went on actually to call at it disservice to raise this issue. >> so we have done i think a disservice to a lot of americans by make them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. >> by the way, what have republicans done for the past five or six years? making their terrified that the government is going to take your guns. everyone wants to take over your lives. >> bill: yeah, that's all they do is the scare tactic and rand paul was responding to later from the attorney general of the united states who said we have the legal authority to kill americans on american soil with a drone. jesus, that's worth raising the question about it. and it was john mccain and lindsey graham, what service do they provide by raising the big issue of benghazi and accusing president obama for being responsible for the death of ambassador stephens when the congress had cut the funding. so they made a huge phony deal
graham because john mccain is upset then lindsey is upset too. oh, yeah and the go ahead that john mccain -- in fact -- went on actually to call at it disservice to raise this issue. >> so we have done i think a disservice to a lot of americans by make them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. >> by the way, what have republicans done for the past five or six years? making their terrified that the government is going to take your guns....
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senators lindsey graham and john mccain slammed rand paul, calling it an ill-informed stand. >> calm down, senator. mr. holder is right. even if he doesn't explain the law very well, the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. >> let's bring in our friday gaggle, former republican governor from maryland, and from the deputy editor and contributing writer for roll call, nathan gonzalez. governor, you want to go to you off the back, because this was fascinating with rand paul. >> one-day story. >> a fascinating divide, who would have thought that mitch mcconnell would run to the senate floor to bask in the flow of rand paul, and then lindsey graham and john mccain say sit down. what does this mean for 2016. could this libertarian wing -- >> i love the libertarian wing having a role in the party. i think it's very healthy. there may be something personal here. we don't know. this was a little strong by senator mccain. i don't know as far as any personal animosity. but at this point in the cycle, it's no big deal. it's a one-day story. but
senators lindsey graham and john mccain slammed rand paul, calling it an ill-informed stand. >> calm down, senator. mr. holder is right. even if he doesn't explain the law very well, the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. >> let's bring in our friday gaggle, former republican governor from maryland, and from the deputy editor and contributing writer for roll call, nathan gonzalez. governor, you want to go to you off the back,...
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now we have lindsey graham talking about the phone calls. susan collins, the phone call she received, and now this big dinner with these republican senators tonight. >> listen, it never ceases to amaze me how thin-skinned how members of congress are. you don't get elected to come down and socialize with the president. you get elected to come down and do the right thing for the constituents and the country. the idea that members of congress are making decisions based on the fact that they haven't gotten a phone call from the president or haven't gotten to hang out with hem at the without movie theater, that's ridiculous. frankly, whether the president is um here hobnobbing with congress or not, we should do the right thing for our constituents and the country. i don't buy this. i think this is republicans making excuses for why they're not sitting down and cooperating with the president. >> oddly enough you bring up the movie theater things, republicans were invited to view "lincoln" and nobody showed up. hopefully this will go well tonight.
now we have lindsey graham talking about the phone calls. susan collins, the phone call she received, and now this big dinner with these republican senators tonight. >> listen, it never ceases to amaze me how thin-skinned how members of congress are. you don't get elected to come down and socialize with the president. you get elected to come down and do the right thing for the constituents and the country. the idea that members of congress are making decisions based on the fact that they...
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meanwhile, lindsey graham, intra-party scold got a _#of his own. primary graham. if there was any question about just how tense it might be in the upper chamber, the "new york times" ran this photo showing paul and mccain sharing an elevator ride after the elder senator accused the kentucky sion of disservice. hash tag, awkward. stephanie, we have talked ad nauz yum at this point about the lower chamber and the raucus caucus and how difficult a job speaker john boehner has in his words getting the frogs in the wheelbarrow. but this week i think exposed some serious changes, if not a rift within the elder wing -- the elder sort of establishment wing of the republican party in the upper chamber. not just on sequester but with the rand paul talky filibuster. >> i was pleased see that picture because normally there's a democrat standing there getting a scowl. >> i've been on elevators like that myself. you know, i think that, you know, i appreciate what senator mccain and senator graham were trying to say. under no circumstances are americans at home in danger of gett
meanwhile, lindsey graham, intra-party scold got a _#of his own. primary graham. if there was any question about just how tense it might be in the upper chamber, the "new york times" ran this photo showing paul and mccain sharing an elevator ride after the elder senator accused the kentucky sion of disservice. hash tag, awkward. stephanie, we have talked ad nauz yum at this point about the lower chamber and the raucus caucus and how difficult a job speaker john boehner has in his...
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this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is something that we want, but when we hear senator mccain mentioning the u.s. citizen that was killed in 2011, there was an op-ed piece in "wall street journal" "wall street journal" talking about what it means to be an enemy combatant. he was considered to be an enemy combatant, but in yemen. can a drone be used here if an enemy combatant is on american soil here. how will the conversation go? >> i think these are fundamental questions that have not been debated in the united states when it comes to applies the drone policy overseas. this is part of the criticism that many have against the united states
this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is...
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and then 24 hours later he got hammered by john mccain, lindsey graham. so what do you make of the divisions there? >> well, it's very interesting. first of all i would say it's not particularly senatorial to call your colleague a wacko bird. that is an interesting way to get a lock with everybody, that is what senator mccain had to say about senator paul. look there are a bunch of divisions be within the republican party, social con serving difficult, fiscal conservatives, isolationist, neokonst, democracy promoters and this is another one between the libertarians an those who believe in strong, executive authority. and particularly during the war on terror. we -- hear a lot from that group during the bush-- mrtion. now you have a democratic president, that may have enhanlsed it a little bit. i thought that senator paul did a good service in the sense that he brought attention to this throne issue which has been underattend toad in terms of what are we doing. where are we doing it, what is the legal basis for it. who exactly is doing it. those rawl legit
and then 24 hours later he got hammered by john mccain, lindsey graham. so what do you make of the divisions there? >> well, it's very interesting. first of all i would say it's not particularly senatorial to call your colleague a wacko bird. that is an interesting way to get a lock with everybody, that is what senator mccain had to say about senator paul. look there are a bunch of divisions be within the republican party, social con serving difficult, fiscal conservatives, isolationist,...
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graham and john mccain. i want to show a little bit of that. one exchange they had where rand paul was talking about the possibility that a president might have, for instance, taken out jane fonda. >> no one will ever forget jane fonda swiveling around in north vietnamese armored guns and it was despicable. that's one thing if you want to try her for treason but are you going to just drop a drone hellfire missile on jane fonda. >> to somehow allege or infer that the president of the united states is going to kill somebody like jane fonda or someone who disagrees with the policies is a stretch of imagination, which is, frankly, ridiculous. >> senator johnson, we also saw senator graham go so far as to say he didn't remember a lot of colleagues raise the questions about the drone policy under president bush. >> i don't think i want to get in the middle of that. george is right. an argument about due process, presidential power. >> you did join the filibuster. >> sure, because i think senator paul had the right
graham and john mccain. i want to show a little bit of that. one exchange they had where rand paul was talking about the possibility that a president might have, for instance, taken out jane fonda. >> no one will ever forget jane fonda swiveling around in north vietnamese armored guns and it was despicable. that's one thing if you want to try her for treason but are you going to just drop a drone hellfire missile on jane fonda. >> to somehow allege or infer that the president of the...
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. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every other whipstitch blaming republicans we just want to eliminate these taxes for the rich. what is he talking about? he's been talking about on the campaign trail shutting down the oil and gas industry in kansas, shutting down agriculture, lending institutions, et cetera, et cetera, all sorts of executive orders and regulations. in terms of tax reform and the loopholes, where are they? what's the plan? where's the list? >> well, would you be able to get into negotiations? >> i'm always ready to get into negotiations. i know numbers are important but the policy is an important as well. yeah, we want to do that.
. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every...
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but then, fellow republicans like john mccain and lindsey graham criticized him. here's mccain. >> i don't think that what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. but somehow, to allege that the united states of america, our government would drop a drone hellfire missile on jane fonda, that is -- that brings the conversation from a serious discussion about u.s. policy to the realm of the ridiculous. >> my first thought was who are you and what have you done to john mccain? i assume that you are fine with republican senators targeting each other. but some liberals also agree with rand paul. is he exposing a guidivide on t left about this president's anti-terrorist strategy? >> well, first of all, i just think maybe we're going to be having normal politics in america again. what's happened the past four years has been quite shameful. you had the republicans said look, our number one priority is to get rid of this president, so every liberal and progressive said well, our number one priority is to keep him in there. so then it was just straight shirts a
but then, fellow republicans like john mccain and lindsey graham criticized him. here's mccain. >> i don't think that what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. but somehow, to allege that the united states of america, our government would drop a drone hellfire missile on jane fonda, that is -- that brings the conversation from a serious discussion about u.s. policy to the realm of the ridiculous. >> my first thought was who are you and what have you done to john...
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over 1% of the people there have been successfully convicted. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he is very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who by longed in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes. i have been firm against torture, but i do believe that guantanamo bay is a secure military facility that provides this country a great asset. and we have received a lot of information from guantanamo bay detainees. >> you remember, when there was the trial eventually reversed. what do you think about the pros and cons, legally speaking, either sending him to guantanamo bay or new york? >> well, it is true there is a major difference between the two in terms of interrogation. in a criminal court where he is now, he will receive a lawyer who will surely say stop talking to prosecutors, don't say anything. in guantanamo, there will be more flexibility to
over 1% of the people there have been successfully convicted. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he is very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who by longed in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes. i have been firm against torture, but i do believe...
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. >> tell that to face the nation was john mccain and his brother or boyfriend, lindsey graham were on side by side on face the nation. he appeared saying that kim at just 28 years old the north korean dictator is a great guy, he is not his father. he wants president obama to call him. he thinks they could break the ice with basketball. >> jamal: okay. >> that would solve all of the world's problems. >> jamal: i'm an old detroit piston's fan, but i have a soft spot for dennis rodman. so i can't go too negative on dennis rodman. >> let's send rick mahorn to syria. let's send bill lambeard to iran. >> laura sil verman's attempt to be the first nfl kicker did not last long. he is injured her leg while kicking. she kicked just two tryouts, she then called it quits, saying she hopes to try another time. >> wow. the 14-yard kick is a pretty tough way to day bu. >> i know y'all are going to get mad at me for saying this because i a feminist i love women, i have all of their albums. but women should not be playing football. >> yeah. >> i will watch women's soccer women's basketball women's sof
. >> tell that to face the nation was john mccain and his brother or boyfriend, lindsey graham were on side by side on face the nation. he appeared saying that kim at just 28 years old the north korean dictator is a great guy, he is not his father. he wants president obama to call him. he thinks they could break the ice with basketball. >> jamal: okay. >> that would solve all of the world's problems. >> jamal: i'm an old detroit piston's fan, but i have a soft spot for...
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agreeing with lindsey graham kind of creeps me out. he told the truth right? >> as i said, democrats are -- progressives conservatives libertarians greens, you know, pretty much most americans think the idea of giving the executive branch unlimited carte blanche to kill people is a bad and dumb idea. neocons, lindsey graham is a neocon so bingo. >> john: these republicans who didn't complain when bush was doing it and now they complain when obama was doing it. rand paul and his dad had been consistent. thom hartmann, you have the smartest radio show. thank you for coming on with us tonight. >> thank you john. >> john: see you soon. arkansas passes an abortion law that's so restrictive, it will definitely get struck down by the supreme court unless it doesn't. that's coming up. [ male announcer ] it's red lobster's lobsterfest our largest selection of lobster entrees like lobster lover's dream or new grilled lobster and lobster tacos. come in now and sea food differently. visit redlobster.com now for an exclusive $10 coupon on two lobsterfest entrees. >> john:
agreeing with lindsey graham kind of creeps me out. he told the truth right? >> as i said, democrats are -- progressives conservatives libertarians greens, you know, pretty much most americans think the idea of giving the executive branch unlimited carte blanche to kill people is a bad and dumb idea. neocons, lindsey graham is a neocon so bingo. >> john: these republicans who didn't complain when bush was doing it and now they complain when obama was doing it. rand paul and his dad...
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next thing you know, he picks up the phone and calls lindsey graham and says, can you get a bunch of guys together for supper? >> yeah, listen. i understand that. those are valid observations. i think you're absolutely right. the president and the administration went way overboard unpredicting the apom lips of the waste -- apocalypse and i think most americans get they can trim 1% without the end of civilization. i think it's constructive that we'll achieve the savings of the sequester. i have think better still, we're going to do it in a more sensible way than the way the underlying law did it but capture the savings and have discretionary spending cut back to where it was before president obama took office, i think. and so that's progress. but it's the small stuff. we need pro growth tax reform. we need to get on a sustainable fiscal path. i think it's flawed policy in washington that's the reason our economy is so weak right now. >> brian: let me tell you what some left wing columnists are saying. this shows mitch mcconnell is not representing you the right way and there are some
next thing you know, he picks up the phone and calls lindsey graham and says, can you get a bunch of guys together for supper? >> yeah, listen. i understand that. those are valid observations. i think you're absolutely right. the president and the administration went way overboard unpredicting the apom lips of the waste -- apocalypse and i think most americans get they can trim 1% without the end of civilization. i think it's constructive that we'll achieve the savings of the sequester. i...
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john mccain and lindsey graham. john mccain not much of a constituency in the republican party and graham worrying about a primary in 2014. rand paul showed that the republican party is coming around to paulism and he's a lot craftier than his father to bringing it around. >> to toure's point, that's problematic for the party because the rhetoric is still the old 2010 tea party makers and takers, i'm randism and damaging to the brand and so far out there. supports a complete ban of abortion and to the extent to embrace that, i don't think that's a positive development to the party. >> that's mane striming it. >> graham is promoting a fear of the american government, especially the obama-led, fear of american government and hear a lot from the savages and these people. that's just not -- >> then let -- if the fear is out there, let the administration address it and holder started to do that today. that's a positive letter. >> all right. >>> while they were all talk, the president and other republicans were fine dinin
john mccain and lindsey graham. john mccain not much of a constituency in the republican party and graham worrying about a primary in 2014. rand paul showed that the republican party is coming around to paulism and he's a lot craftier than his father to bringing it around. >> to toure's point, that's problematic for the party because the rhetoric is still the old 2010 tea party makers and takers, i'm randism and damaging to the brand and so far out there. supports a complete ban of...
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>> reporter: kelly ayotte with fellow republican senators lindsey graham condemned the statement that said the decision clearly contravenes the will of the american people land not go unchallenged. a family member of a 9/11 victim also weighed in. >> my concern is that a guy likes this comes to a civilian court. he is put away. hopefully he would be convicted. but it wouldn't, it's not, it's conspiracy. it's not murder. >> the white house today defended the record of terrorist conviction in federal court. pointing to the times square bomber and the underwear bomber, now both serving life sentencing. >> there is broad consensus across the united states government. at the department of defense. the department of justice. department of homeland security. intelligence community agrees that the best way to protect our national security interest is to prosecute abu ghaith in the court. >> reporter: an officer doubt that it meets the requirement of military tribunal. >> sorry, he can't be charged with material support for terrorism, which can carry a life sentence, because that disallowed as
>> reporter: kelly ayotte with fellow republican senators lindsey graham condemned the statement that said the decision clearly contravenes the will of the american people land not go unchallenged. a family member of a 9/11 victim also weighed in. >> my concern is that a guy likes this comes to a civilian court. he is put away. hopefully he would be convicted. but it wouldn't, it's not, it's conspiracy. it's not murder. >> the white house today defended the record of terrorist...
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. >> although lindsey graham, i interviewed him earlier this week. he is part of what they call that caucus of common sense, at least on this issue he made it clear he is ready to work out a big picture deal. let me play this little clip. >> i think the only way out is a big deal. republicans are not going to raise revenue to pay for sequestration. and i don't believe we can really do -- >> you mean raise taxes? >> yeah, eliminating deductions and loopholes, count me in for that but put the money on the debt. >> right, that is the framework of a deal that is out there. further revenue coupled with entitlement reform. the reality is what lindsey graham is saying, republicans can't get what they prized most, the entitlement reform that will slow the growth of government without president obama's signature for the next four years. and the only way to get that is by tying it to revenue. and if you think about the president's long-term goals here, accelerating economic growth delivers better outcomes for the key initiatives is critical. and all of these c
. >> although lindsey graham, i interviewed him earlier this week. he is part of what they call that caucus of common sense, at least on this issue he made it clear he is ready to work out a big picture deal. let me play this little clip. >> i think the only way out is a big deal. republicans are not going to raise revenue to pay for sequestration. and i don't believe we can really do -- >> you mean raise taxes? >> yeah, eliminating deductions and loopholes, count me in...
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senator lindsey graham one of the republicans dining with the president. this might be a dr. phil moment. take a listen. >> i see the president reaching out. everybody wants to, you know, be dr. phil about what he is doing. i'm assuming the president wants to talk serious buy about -- seriously about the issues of the day. he will go up to capitol hill. he rarely does that meet separately with all four democrats. same in the senate. first time he has really done that since 2010, shep. >> shepard: this is a new strategy to do, what? >> well, is he sort of going around the leadership. if you look at some the faces that will be there, more rank and file senators like lindsey graham. not people on the list that not there speaker john boehner mitch mcconnell who he hasn't had a lot of progress with. going through some of the rank and file. is he not worried about that jay carney says this is all about trying to find different ways to bring people together. take a listen. >> frankly, i wish he had done more of that over the years. we have had all of this very limited interaction wi
senator lindsey graham one of the republicans dining with the president. this might be a dr. phil moment. take a listen. >> i see the president reaching out. everybody wants to, you know, be dr. phil about what he is doing. i'm assuming the president wants to talk serious buy about -- seriously about the issues of the day. he will go up to capitol hill. he rarely does that meet separately with all four democrats. same in the senate. first time he has really done that since 2010, shep....
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. >> schieffer: senator lindsey graham said he would support a grand bargain that includes increased revenue as long as there are spending cuts. >> we had tax reforms which helps grow the economy which is historically weak, the weakest economic recovery since the great depression. tax reform will help the folks on bottom rung of the bottom of the ladder get up to the second and third rung. so that's needed. it provides us the ability as republicans saying we're getting the growth up on the of the taxes and along with entitlement reform we would be willing to put more revenue on the table. the super commit, we did that. the problem right now is we don't see from the president any structural changes in the unsustainable course on entitlements-- we see the request for more and more taxes at a time when we raised taxes $620 billion on the american economy. >> schieffer: what about that, congressman? are you going to have to do more on the entitlements than democrats have suggested doing thus far? >> we are, and the president has proposed that. the difference is a difference in approach w
. >> schieffer: senator lindsey graham said he would support a grand bargain that includes increased revenue as long as there are spending cuts. >> we had tax reforms which helps grow the economy which is historically weak, the weakest economic recovery since the great depression. tax reform will help the folks on bottom rung of the bottom of the ladder get up to the second and third rung. so that's needed. it provides us the ability as republicans saying we're getting the growth up...
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graham, they accused you of theaterics or political stunt i think senator mccain used. is this a fair debate and how do you respond to that? >> i think it's a good debate. i think they're on the wrong side of history. >> greta: do you mind they called it a stunt? >> i don't admire that kind of add homonym, but they've been arguing you can indefinitely detain a u.s. citizen, i asked senator mccain directly can you send a u.s. citizen to guantanamo bay without a trial forever? and his answer was yes, if i deem them to be a safety risk. problem is that's an accusation, if a government or a politician calls you an enemy combatant, is that enough to whisk you off to guantanamo bay or is that enough to have a drone strike on you? and see, both of these senators argue that america is part of the battlefield for the laws of war apply. well, the laws of war sometimes don't involve due process and i acknowledge that. if soldiers -- if the enemy is shooting at our soldiers, there is no due process involved with that, we shoot back to kill. there are no judges and juries, but ameri
graham, they accused you of theaterics or political stunt i think senator mccain used. is this a fair debate and how do you respond to that? >> i think it's a good debate. i think they're on the wrong side of history. >> greta: do you mind they called it a stunt? >> i don't admire that kind of add homonym, but they've been arguing you can indefinitely detain a u.s. citizen, i asked senator mccain directly can you send a u.s. citizen to guantanamo bay without a trial forever?...
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republican senator lindsey graham says he just spoke with the president by phone. take a listen to what he said. >> i'm very encouraged by what i've seen from the president in terms of substance and tone. he's calling people. this is how you solve hard problems. what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i have seen since the early years of his presidency. >> i'm really sorry to repeat history, but haven't we seen this before? the president compromises. the president goes to extreme lengths and guess what happens? the sequester happens. or there's a fight other the debt ceiling, or the continuing resolution will be brutal. what's the point? >> well, you have got a good point. essentially graham is one of the folks who is saying we have to have more revenues. he said he's open to $600 billion to revenues and the president is trying to reach out and see if that can be done. the situation we're in now is paul ryan has essentially a dog ate the homework kind of budget. nobody has to take responsible for these brutal cuts th
republican senator lindsey graham says he just spoke with the president by phone. take a listen to what he said. >> i'm very encouraged by what i've seen from the president in terms of substance and tone. he's calling people. this is how you solve hard problems. what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i have seen since the early years of his presidency. >> i'm really sorry to repeat history, but haven't we seen this before? the...
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graham camp than the rand paul camp. however, it was striking to a lot of people that the bright stars of the republican party like florida senator marco rubio and texas senator ted cruz joined rand paul in the filibuster against the obama administration's drone poll sane i think that's what really fired up folks like mccain and graham seeing some of the young stars of the republican party, the young tea party stars going on a tangent regarding national security and foreign policy and the republican party definitely isn't known for. >> let's play what rand paul -- just gave an interview this morning to glenn beck on his radio show. here's a little bit of what rand paul said regarding his critics. let's play it. >> government were comprised of angels we wouldn't need rules and so i try to make it less about president obama and more about what if some day we elect someone who wouldn't -- who would abuse this power? >> senator, there's been some criticism of your filibuster last night including from apparently lindsey graha
graham camp than the rand paul camp. however, it was striking to a lot of people that the bright stars of the republican party like florida senator marco rubio and texas senator ted cruz joined rand paul in the filibuster against the obama administration's drone poll sane i think that's what really fired up folks like mccain and graham seeing some of the young stars of the republican party, the young tea party stars going on a tangent regarding national security and foreign policy and the...
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gop senators including roy blunt, tom coburn, susan collins, bob porker, lindsey graham, and rob portman. he'll also dine tonight with 11 republican senators at the jefferson hotel and will travel to capitol hill next week to meet with caucuses in both the house and the senate. so far, the good will is being reciprocated. according to senator lindsey graham, what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue since the early days of his presidency. senator majority leader mitch mcconnell is all for daytont. >> frankly, i wish he'd done more of that over the years. we've had, all of us, very limited interaction with the president. he's certainly doesn't have to go through me to call on my members, and i'm sure he will, and i encourage him to do so. >> of course, necessity is usually the grandmother of change. despite several weeks of bully pulpit pressure, even the president acknowledged that his hands are tied unless congress decides to cooperate. >> this idea that somehow there's a secret formula or secret sauce to get speaker boehner or mitch mcconn
gop senators including roy blunt, tom coburn, susan collins, bob porker, lindsey graham, and rob portman. he'll also dine tonight with 11 republican senators at the jefferson hotel and will travel to capitol hill next week to meet with caucuses in both the house and the senate. so far, the good will is being reciprocated. according to senator lindsey graham, what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue since the early days of his presidency. senator...
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you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative, old pat buchanan breed, of people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he was driving at i think is, look, i personally, like a lot of democrats i guess, i have confidence -- i know that president obama thinks about the use of drones and i know that he and -- i have confidence in him -- >> suppose cheney were president right now. >> exactly. >> right now. >> he's only going to be president for another 3 1/2 years. others are going to follow, and unless we kind of think about what sort of limits, if any, we want to put -- >> you remember cheney's speech about the shadowlands and the gray areas of the world and the hallways and the back hauls. >> exactly. >> he talks like that.
you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative, old pat buchanan breed, of people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he...